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Super Probiotic - Bacillus Coagulans?

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Posted : 06/03/2013 5:19 pm

 

This is a probiotic that has a natural protective coating to protect it bile, acids, yada yada. So supposedly it definately populates your digestive tract. It can even withstand food processing so you'll soon see probiotics added to all kinds of crap.

So, I was looking for something for my dog. I believe he has a systemic yeast problem. He's had a yeast infection in his ears since I got him and for which the Antibacterial stuff the vet gave me never helped. And after the first summer I had him, he began developing hot spots which involves a yeast infection growing in spots the dog irritates by scratching and biting. Because he's extremely sensitive to fleas. You can see the linoleic acid thread on how I've been trying to reduce his sensitivity topically, and he was way better while it was winter. Now it's summer again in this brutal climate that spawns so many fleas.

I came across this product of digestive enzymes and pre and probiotics on Amazon. One reviewer pretty much described my dogs problems while raving about how quickly it turned around her dog. It is mostly enzymes, but it specifically names the probiotic strain Bacillus coagulans.

WebMD says:

People take Bacillus coagulans for diarrhea, including infectious types such as rotaviral diarrhea in children; traveler's diarrhea; and diarrhea caused by antibiotics. Bacillus coagulans is also used for general digestion problems, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), inflammatory bowel disease (IBD, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis), a bowel disorder called Clostridium difficilecolitis, excessive growth of bad bacteria in short bowel syndrome, and infection due to the ulcer-causing bacterium Helicobacter pylori.

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Posted : 06/03/2013 5:40 pm

Background: Because the dog's history is kind of similar to many of our experiences with antibiotics, dermatologists and acne. Just sped up in the shorter lives of dogs.

The dog had been a stray, was 20 lbs underweight and being fed corn-based Science Diet at the SPCA. And had heartworms and the ear infection. But his coat was fine, wasn't itchy and he had a very high energy level. Then summer hit, his energy went down, fleas appeared and he began developing skin problems. I thought summer was the issue. He didn't like the heat. Neither did I. But he really didn't get better when winter came.

So, for the heartworms he was supposed to do the arsenic poisoning treatment. But before that he was to get 6 months of ivermectin heartworm 'preventative' and I don't remember how many months of antibiotics. Which he did. I think that's where the problems began. It made the yeast worse. Then when the skin problems began to appear and I took him to the vet. They gave him antibiotic and cortisone shots. Cortisone also impairs the dermal barrier function so it worsens the problem in the long run.

(BTW, I did some research and decided against the arsenic poisoning. After one year of ivermectin, he was tested free of heartworms. And that is now the standard treatment for heartworm infection, btw. Let that be a lesson to you before you agree to extreme harmful treatments. Think very carefully before you let them wage chemical warfare in your body.)

They've sequenced it's genome:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=20&cad=rja&ved=0CHYQFjAJOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstandardsingenomics.org%2Findex.php%2Fsigen%2Farticle%2Fview%2Fsigs.2365342%2Fsigs.2365342_pdf&ei=-hWtUeLKNYHe8ASu9oGIBA&usg=AFQjCNGe7krSrKZHrD309H1j5A1j0y3kFA&sig2=ho_JzQRaeGdBduF3hb7HsA&bvm=bv.47244034,d.eWU

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Posted : 06/11/2013 7:13 pm

 

Article about a Nature magazine article about evidence that your gut flora never recovers from antibiotics.

 

http://www.greenmedi...ure-generations

But maybe they didn't study this strain. I don't have access to the article/study. But the article in that link has several sources worth looking at.

This study found that they recovered after antibiotic treatment for h pylori overgrowth. But it took 4 years. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0009836

also, babies are supposed to be exposed to probiotics from the mother as they head down the birth canal. So those born via C section (and there are many, and many of those, for no good reason) start off at a severe disadvantage. Perhaps it's people with like that that never recover.

 

Article about a Nature magazine article about evidence that your gut flora never recovers from antibiotics.

 

http://www.greenmedi...ure-generations

But maybe they didn't study this strain. I don't have access to the article/study. But the article in that link has several sources worth looking at.

This study found that they recovered after antibiotic treatment for h pylori overgrowth. But it took 4 years. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0009836

also, babies are supposed to be exposed to probiotics from the mother as they head down the birth canal. So those born via C section (and there are many, and many of those, for no good reason) start off at a severe disadvantage, just like those born to mothers with deficient microciata. Perhaps it's people with like that that never recover.

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Posted : 06/11/2013 8:50 pm

The supplement for he dog arrived today. We ll start it tonight. I see no reason why I can't use it too. I put a pinch in my green smoothie.

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Posted : 06/12/2013 1:00 am

This is interesting. I found the reviews on Amazon also very favourable. I will try this one after I run out of my Healthy Trinity.

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Posted : 06/17/2013 10:15 am

HI Alternativista,

Have you started taking it?

Any update on this?

The supplement for he dog arrived today. We ll start it tonight. I see no reason why I can't use it too. I put a pinch in my green smoothie.

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Posted : 06/17/2013 8:06 pm

HI Alternativista,

Have you started taking it?

Any update on this?

The supplement for he dog arrived today. We ll start it tonight. I see no reason why I can't use it too. I put a pinch in my green smoothie.

I kep forgetting. I've only taken any once, maybe twice. I think it's doing the dog some good too. And twice I've remembered to give him a little at night on an empty stomach so the protease enzymes can hopefully attack the yeast I think he's infected with.

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Posted : 06/18/2013 11:42 am

 

OK...Keep us posted on this. I read it is very effective in combating candida as well.

 

HI Alternativista,

 

Have you started taking it?

Any update on this?

 

 

The supplement for he dog arrived today. We ll start it tonight. I see no reason why I can't use it too. I put a pinch in my green smoothie.

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Posted : 08/19/2013 10:47 am

So, I just searched for this thread to see how long the dog has been on this supplement of enzymes and that super probiotic. It's been two months and it hasn't been a miracle. He no longer gets hot spots which is a yeast infection, but he still has the infection in his ears. And he's still pretty sensitive to fleas, his eyes still water and he often chews his feet when we return from a walk. So it hasn't reduced any allergy/sensitivities. And I also give him a little bromelain at night on an empty stomach in hopes it will head into his intestines and break down yeast cell walls. I put about 1/3 of a capsule in his bowl with a little safflower oil which he licks up. He does seem a little more energetic and has a bigger appetite. I may start giving him a whole bromelain capsule at night, although that's a struggle.

I've only remembered to add a little supplement to my smoothie once in a while, so can't make any testimonials for me.

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