As a companion to the The Bad List. This contains products whose formulation does not contain a single ingredient that has a comedogenic ingredient of 3 or higher.
This is purely informational. I am not making any blanket statements concerning any particular product. Use this post to inform yourself. What you choose to slather on your face is your own business.
If any products change their formulation or if you have cross-checked a product yourself that you'd like to add, please let me know.
CeraVe Hydrating Cleanser
Purified Water, Glycerin, Behentrimonium Methosulfate and Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceramide 3, Ceramide 6-II, Ceramide 1, Hyaluronic Acid, Cholesterol, Polyoxyl 40 Stearate, Glyceryl Monostearate, Stearyl Alcohol, Polysorbate 20, Potassium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Cetyl Alcohol, Disodium EDTA, Phytosphingosine, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Carbomer, Xanthan Gum
CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser
Purified Water, Cocamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine, Glycerin, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, PEG-150 Pentaerythrityl Terastearate and PEG-6 Caprylic/Capric Glycerides, Niacinamide, Propylene Glycol, Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate, Ceramide 3, Ceramide 6-II, Ceramide I, Hyaluronic Acid, Cholesterol, Sodium Chloride, Phytosphingosine, Citric Acid, Edetate Disodium, Dihydrate, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Carbomer, Xanthan Gum
CeraVe AM SPF 30
Active Ingredients: Homosalate 12%, Octinoxate 7.5%, Zinc Oxide 3.5%, Octocrylene 2%
Inactive Ingredients: Purified Water, Niacinamide, Behentrimonium methosulfate, Cetearyl alcohol, Glycerin, Hyaluronic acid, Dimethicone, Ceramide 3, Ceramide 6-II, Ceramide 1, Cholesterol, Phytosphingosine, Disodium EDTA, Sodium lauroyl lactylate, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Aluminum starch octenylsuccinate, Boron nitride, Carbomer, Xanthan gum
Neutrogena Extra Gentle Cleanser
Water (Purified), Glycerin, Capric/Caprylic Stearic Triglyceride, Cetyl Ricinoleate, Isohexadecane, TEA Cocoyl Glutamate, Methyl Glucose Sesquistearate, Stearyl Alcohol, Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG 40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, PEG 20 Methyl Glucose Sesquistearate, Bisabolol (L-Alpha), Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Dipotassium Glycyrrhizate (Licorice Root), Stearyl Glycyrrhetinate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Acrylates/C10 30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Triethanolamine, BHT, Geranium, Dipropylene Glycol, Phenoxyethanol, Propylparaben, Methylparaben
Neutrogena Ultra Gentle Daily Cleanser
Water, Glycerin, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Lauryl Glucoside, Potassium Accylates Copolymer, PEG 120 Methyl Glucose Dioleate, Disodium Lauroamphodiacetate, Sodium Cocoyl Sarcosinate, Ethylhexylglycerin, Caprylyl Glycol, Potassium Sorbate, Fragrance
Neutrogena Oil-Free Redness Soothing Facial Cleanser
Active Ingredients: Salicylic Acid (2%) (Acne Treatment)
Inactive Ingredients: Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Propylene Glycol, Butylene Glycol, Decyl Glucoside, PPG 5 Ceteth 20, Anthemis Nobilis (Roman Chamomile) Flower Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract (Matricaria), Cocamidopropyl PG-Dimonium Chloride Phosphate, Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Extract, Tetrahydroxypropyl Ethylenediamine, C12 15 Alkyl Lactate, Sodium Lactate, Menthyl Lactate, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Benzotriazole Butylphenol Sulfonate, Betaine (Sugar Beet), Dehydroxanthan Gum, Benzalkonium Chloride Solution, DMDM Hydantoin, Yellow 5 Lake, Blue 1 Lake (CI 42090), Fragrance
Simple Refreshing Facial Wash Gel
Water (Aqua), Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Panthenol, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxymethylglycinate
Simple Smoothing Facial Scrub
Water (Aqua), Mineral Oil (Paraffinum Liquidum), Cocoglucoside, Oryza Sativa (Rice) Powder, Polyethlene, Vegetable Oil, Panthenol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Pelargonium Graveolens Oil, Anthemis Nobilis Flower Oil, Acrylates Copolymer, Acrylates/C10 30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Sodium Hydroxymethylglycinate, Dipropylene Glycol, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben
Burt's Bees Natural Acne Solutions Purifying Gel Cleanser
Active Ingredients: Salicylic Acid (1.0%)(Acne Treatment)
Inactive Ingredients: Water, Decyl Glucoside, Lauryl Glucoside, Sucrose Laurate, Salix Nigra (Willow Bark) Extract (Willow), Coco Betaine, Betaine (Sugar Beet), Beet (Beta Vulgaris) Extract (Beet), Oenothera Biennis Leaf Extract (Evening Primrose), Sodium Cocoyl Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Hydroxypropyltrimonium Honey, Glycerin, Glyceryl Oleate, Coco Glucoside, Fragrance, Glucose, Alcohol Denatured, Glucose Oxidase, Lactoperoxidase, Citric Acid, Sodium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol
Burt's Bees Radiance Daily Cleanser with Royal Jelly
Water, Decyl Glucoside, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Oleosomes, Sodium Cocoyl Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Glycerin, Coco Glucoside, Glyceryl Oleate, Fragrance, Royal Jelly, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Vaccinium Myrtillus (Bilberry) Extract, Sugar Cane (Saccharum Officinarum) Extract, Sugar Maple Extract, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) (Sweet Orange Peel Extract), Lemon (Citrus Medica Limonium) Extract, Glucose, Xanthan Gum, Citric Acid, Sodium Chloride, Lactoperoxidase, Glucose Oxidase
Pond's Luminous Clean Daily Exfoliating Cleanser
Water, Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Propylene Glycol, Stearic Acid, Cetearyl Alcohol, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Oxidized Polyethylene, Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, Sodium Lauroyl Sulfoacetate, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Sodium Isethionate, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate, Polyethylene, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), DMDM Hydantoin, Fragrance, Disodium EDTA, Acacia Senegal Gum, Gelatin, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Kaolin, Mica, Red 30, Tin Oxide, Titanium Dioxide
Pond's Cold Cream The Cool Classic
Mineral Oil, Water, Ceresin, Beeswax, Triethanolamine, Behenic Acid, Fragrance, Ceteth 20, Cetyl Alcohol, Carbomer, DMDM Hydantoin, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Methylparaben
Aqua Glycolic Facial Cleanser
Water (Purified), Glycolic Acid, Ammonium Glycolate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Amino Methyl Propanol, Sorbitol, Stearyl Alcohol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben
Glory for Girls Everyday Foaming Cleanser
Aqua/Water/Eau (Water), Polysorbate 20, Hamamelis Virginiana (Witch Hazel) Water, Cocamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine, Citrus Grandis (Pink Grapefruit) Peel Oil, Lactic Acid (L), Decyl Glucoside, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Glycerin, Allantoin (Comfrey Root), Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Fruit Seed Extract, Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (Bergamot) Fruit Oil, Euterpe Oleracea (Acai Fruit) Extract, Arctium Lappa (Burdock) Root Extract, Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Leaf Juice (organic NOP certified), Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Xanthan Gum, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sorbitol, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Linalool, Limonene, Citral, Citronellol, Geraniol
DDF Blemish Foaming Cleanser
Salicylic Acid ([1.8%] Acne Medication)
Water, Amino Methyl Propanol, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Propylene Glycol, Triethanolamine, Cocamide DEA, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Allantoin (Comfrey Root) (Comfrey Root), Azelaic Acid, DMDM Hydantoin, Citric Acid, Disodium EDTA, Fragrance, Propylparaben, Commiphora Myrrha (Myrrh) Extract, Hydrastis Canadensis (Goldenseal) Extract, Propylene Glycol, Water, Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower Extract, Calendula (Calendula Officinalis) Flower Extract, Symphytum Officinale (Comfrey Root) Extract, Echinacea Angustifolia (Coneflower) Extract, Panthenol, Blue 1 Lake (CI 42090)
Cremo Face Moisturizer
Water, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Oleosomes, Neopentyl Glycol Diheptanoate, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Jojoba Esters, Hydroxyethyl Urea, Pentylene Glycol, Algae Extract, Mugwort (Artemisia Vulgaris) Extract, Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Leaf Juice, Xanthan Gum, Allantoin, Polyacrylate 13, Polyisobutene, Polysorbate 20, Capryl Hydroxamic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Methylpropanediol, Farnesol, Linalool
Willa Face Friendly Clear Face Moisturizer
Water, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Flower/Leaf/Stem Water, Glycerin, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Mangifera Indica (Mango) Fruit Extract, Citrus Nobilis (Mandarin Orange) Fruit Extract, Zea Mays (Corn) Silk Extract, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Extract, Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Eucalyptus Radiata Flower/Leaf/Stem Oil, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Phytate, Sodium Hydroxide, Dehydroacetic Acid, Benzyl Alcohol
Vanicream Sport Sunscreen SPF 35
Zinc Oxide (8%), Octinoxate (7.5%)
Water (Purified), Cyclomethicone, Glycerin, Tridecyl Neopentanoate, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cetyl/PEG/PPG 10/1 Dimethicone, Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Polyethylene, Cyclomethicone, Dimethicone, PEG 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate, Vitamin E, Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate, Triethoxycaprylylsilane
Vanicrema Sunscreen Sensitive Skin, SPF 60
Titanium Dioxide (5%), Zinc Oxide (5%)
Alumina, C12 15 Alkyl Benzoate, Capric/Caprylic Stearic Triglyceride, Cetearyl Isononanoate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Isopropyl Titanium Triisostearate/triethoxycaprylylsilane (Crosspolymer), Methylpropanediol, PEG 12 Dimethicone, PEG 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate, Phenyltrimethicone, Polyethylene, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Water (Purified), Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate (Vitamin C), Stearyl Dimethicone, Tetrasodium EDTA, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Triethoxycaprylylsilane
EltaMD UV Clear SPF 46
Zinc Oxide (9.0%, UVA/UVB Sunscreen), Octinoxate (7.5%, UVA/UVB Sunscreen)
Water, Cyclomethicone, Niacinamide, Octyldodecyl Neopentanoate, Hydroxyethyl Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Polyisobutene, PEG 7 Trimethylolpropane Coconut Ether, Sodium Hyaluronate, Tocopheryl Acetate, Lactic Acid, Oleth 3 Phosphate, Phenoxyethanol, Butylene Glycol, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Triethoxycaprylylsilane
Blue Lizard Australian Sunscreen Daily Moisturizer SPF 30+
Octinoxate (5.5%), Zinc Oxide (8%)
Water (Purified), C12 15 Alkyl Benzoate, Cyclomethicone, Lauryl PEG/PPG 18/18 Methicone, Polyacrylamide, C13 14 Isoparaffin, Laureth 7, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Hyaluronic Acid, Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea) Leaf Extract, Beeswax (Apis Mellifera), Caffeine, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben
Boots No7 Protect & Perfect Intense Beauty Serum
Cyclopentasiloxane, Aqua/Water/Eau (Water), Butylene Glycol, Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Cyclohexasiloxane, Glycerin, Arabinogalactan, Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate (Vitamin C), Magnesium Sulfate, Dimethicone Copolyol (Silica), Phenoxyethanol, Sodium PCA, Cetyl/PEG/PPG 10/1 Dimethicone, Hexyl Laurate, Polyglyceryl 4 Isostearate, Retinyl Acetate (Vitamin A), Medicago Sativa (Alfalfa) Extract (Alfalfa), Methylparaben, Propylene Glycol, Lupinus Albus Seed Extract, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben, Carbomer, Propylparaben, Isobutylparaben, Polysorbate 20, Ginseng (Panax Ginseng) Root Extract, Morus Alba (Mulberry) Leaf Extract, Tocopherol (Natural Vitamin E), Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide
Boots No7 Lifting & Firming Night Cream
Aqua/Water/Eau (Water), Glycerin, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) Fruit (Shea butter), Cyclopentasiloxane, Steareth 21, C12 15 Alkyl Benzoate, Capric/Caprylic Stearic Triglyceride, Cyclohexasiloxane, Dimethicone, Polyacrylamide, Cetearyl Alcohol, Steareth 2, Glyceryl Stearate, PVP
Shea Moisture Organic Shea Butter
Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) , Extracts of Frankincense and Myrrh , Tocopherol (Vitamin E) , Essential Oil Blend
Cetaphil DermaControl Oil Control Moisturizer SPF 30
Avobenzone 3%, Octisalate (5%), Octocrylene (7%)
Water, Isopropyl Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Glycerin, Dimethicone, Diisopropyl Sebacate, Silica, Polymethyl Methacrylate, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Sucrose Tristearate, Dimethiconol, Pentylene Glycol, Polysorbate 61, Sodium Stearoyl Glutamate, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Glycyrrhetinic Acid, Panthenol, Triethanolamine, Allantoin, Carbomer, Potassium Sorbate, Zinc Gluconate, Xanthan Gum, Disodium EDTA, Hydroxypalmitoyl Sphinganine
Alba Botanica Natural AcneDote Oil Control Lotion
Salicylic Acid 2.0% Acne Treatment
Aqua/Water/Eau, Ethylhexyl Stearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Dimethicone, Cetearyl Olivate, Sorbitan Olivate, Polysorbate 60, Azadirachta Indica (Neem) Extract, Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea) Extract, Carum Petroselinum (Parsley) Extract, Melissa Officinalis Leaf Extract, Salix Alba (Willow) Bark Extract, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Potassium Hydroxide, Xanthan Gum, Alcohol, Benzoic Acid, Dehydroacetate Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Citral, Limonene, Linalool, Fragrance (Parfum), Certified Organic Ingredient, Naturally Derived Botanical Fragrance
Queen Helene Mint Julep Mask
Water, Kaolin, Bentonite (CI 77004), Glycerin, Zinc Oxide, Propylene Glycol, Sulfur, Chromium Oxide Green (CI#77288), Fragrance (Parfum), Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben
Simple Replenishing Rich Moisturizer
Water (Aqua), Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Glycerin, Polyglyceryl 3 Methylglucose Distearate, Stearyl Alcohol, Panthenol, Polyacrylamide, Stearic Acid, C13 14 Isoparaffin, Caprylyl Glycol, Laureth 7, Allantoin, Pentylene Glycol, Bisabolol, Disodium EDTA, Lactic Acid, Sodium Lactate, Serine, Sodium Hydroxypropyl Starch Phosphate, Urea, Sorbitol, Sodium Chloride, Citric Acid, Methylisothiazolinone, Phenoxyethanol
Simple Hydrating Light Moisturizer
Water (Aqua), Glycerin, Polyglyceryl 3 Methylglucose Distearate, Mineral Oil (Paraffinum Liquidum), Cetyl Palmitate, Dimethicone, Borago Officinalis Seed Oil, Tocopheryl Acetate, Panthenol, Cetyl Alcohol, Caprylyl Glycol, Carbomer, Potassium Hydroxide, Pentylene Glycol, Bisabolol, Acrylates/C10 30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Lactate, Lactic Acid, Mica, Serine, urea, Sorbitol, Sodium Chloride, Allantoin, Citric Acid, Methylisothiazolinone, Phenoxyethanol, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891)
Dickinson's Original Witch Hazel Foaming Facial Wash
Contains: Water, Hamamelis Virgiana (Witch Hazel) Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, PEG-80 Sorbitan Laurate, PEG-150 Distearate, Disodium Cocamphodiacetate, Sodium Lauroampho PG Acetate Phosphate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Quaternium-15, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Chamomilla Recutita Flower Extract, Citric Acid, Witch Hazel Flower Extract
Green Gables,
Thanks for your efforts. I have come across a cleanser that I think could be added to the master non-comeodonic product list.
Dickinson's Original Witch Hazel Foaming Facial Wash
Contains: Water, Hamamelis Virgiana (Witch Hazel) Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, PEG-80 Sorbitan Laurate, PEG-150 Distearate, Disodium Cocamphodiacetate, Sodium Lauroampho PG Acetate Phosphate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Quaternium-15, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Chamomilla Recutita Flower Extract, Citric Acid, Witch Hazel Flower Extract
Thanks so much, I've been searching for a new face wash lately and this list really helps narrow down my search!!!
What about the Cerave PM and/or Cerave Cream? Do those make this list???
Both do contain ceteareth-20, which in the wrong formulation can be comedogenic.
My personal opinion is that the CeraVe formulators know what they are doing and you don't need to worry about those products. I have used them with no complaints. But I can't fairly add them to the 100% non-comedogenic list.
Thanks for putting all this work into this! I'm currently using Cetaphil, this is the first time I've tried it and it seems to work okay (after using it for a couple months now)... I don't think it's contributing anything to clearing my skin but it's not making it worse either. Now I just started on Retin-A and would like to have a good face wash. I think I'll try the CeraVe face wash since I love their moisturizing cream so much, plus it's on this list so why not.
One question.. In the Master comedogenic ingredients list, it states that Sodium chloride (salt) is 5 : 0-3.. and in that initial list some of the products with sodium chloride are highlighted red for bad, and others were not that also contained sodium chloride... and then also, a number of these 100% Non-Comedogenic products have sodium chloride in them. So my question is, why do some products get a pass for having sodium chloride in them and others do not?
Thanks.
One question.. In the Master comedogenic ingredients list, it states that Sodium chloride (salt) is 5 : 0-3.. and in that initial list some of the products with sodium chloride are highlighted red for bad, and others were not that also contained sodium chloride... and then also, a number of these 100% Non-Comedogenic products have sodium chloride in them. So my question is, why do some products get a pass for having sodium chloride in them and others do not?
Thanks.
Unfortunately, Greengables has retired. I also noticed that the first product contains Cetearyl Alcohol which is mildly comedogenic in the master list (=2) and Dan gives it a 4 in his list ( http://www.acne.org/acne-products-guide.html ).
The list is pretty comprehensive anyhow so I think just go with your own instincts and avoid if necessary. I want to try and avoid the cetearyl alcohol so I'm not going to use the first product.
Update on ingredients:
Simple Refreshing Facial Wash Gel
Aqua, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Sodium Chloride, Panthenol, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxymethylglycinate, Sodium Hydroxide
Also according to the master comedogenic list, this could be a good and cheap cleanser:
Simple Kind To Skin Pore Minimising Toning Cleanser
Aqua, Butylene Glycol, PEG-20 Glyceryl Laurate, Carbomer, Panthenol,Sodium PCA, Sodium Methylparaben, Sodium Hydroxymethylglycinate,Tetrahydroxypropyl Ethylenediamine, Tocopheryl Acetate,Benzophenone-4, Hamamelis Virginiana Distillate (witch hazel), Dipropylene Glycol,Pantolactone, Methylparaben, Anthemis Nobilis Oil (Roman chamomile), Pelargonium Graveolens Oil (Geranium oil), Citric Acid
And this a cheap and non-comedogenic
Simple Kind To Skin Moisture Boost Hydro Cream
Aqua, Paraffinum Liquidum (mineral oil), Petrolatum, Glycerin, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Tetrahydroxypropyl Ethylenediamine, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Phenoxyethanol,Carbomer, Panthenol, Sucrose Laurate , Tocopheryl Acetate,Methylparaben, 4-Methylbenzylidene Camphor, Disodium EDTA,Propylene Glycol, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben, Isobutylparaben,Lecithin, Propylparaben, Sodium Citrate, Pantolactone, Sorbic Acid,BHT, Nelumbium Speciosum Flower Extract (lotus flower) , Citric Acid
One question.. In the Master comedogenic ingredients list, it states that Sodium chloride (salt) is 5 : 0-3.. and in that initial list some of the products with sodium chloride are highlighted red for bad, and others were not that also contained sodium chloride... and then also, a number of these 100% Non-Comedogenic products have sodium chloride in them. So my question is, why do some products get a pass for having sodium chloride in them and others do not?
Thanks.
Unfortunately, Greengables has retired. I also noticed that the first product contains Cetearyl Alcohol which is mildly comedogenic in the master list (=2) and Dan gives it a 4 in his list ( http://www.acne.org/...ucts-guide.html ).
The list is pretty comprehensive anyhow so I think just go with your own instincts and avoid if necessary. I want to try and avoid the cetearyl alcohol so I'm not going to use the first product.
Update on ingredients:
Simple Refreshing Facial Wash Gel
Aqua, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Sodium Chloride, Panthenol, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxymethylglycinate, Sodium Hydroxide
What about makeup without any of these ingredients? I'm going crazy trying to find liquid makeup that is non-comedogenic. I can't use powder based make-up because it makes my skin look very chalky.
One question.. In the Master comedogenic ingredients list, it states that Sodium chloride (salt) is 5 : 0-3.. and in that initial list some of the products with sodium chloride are highlighted red for bad, and others were not that also contained sodium chloride... and then also, a number of these 100% Non-Comedogenic products have sodium chloride in them. So my question is, why do some products get a pass for having sodium chloride in them and others do not?
Thanks.
Sodium chloride is generally only clogging if it is within the first three ingredients. If there is a product on the bad list that ONLY has sodium chloride as a clogging ingredient and it is not within the first three ingredients, let me know so I can update it.
what about Gold Bond Ultimate healing skin therapy lotion? These are the ingredients:
water, glycerin, dimethicone, petrolatum, jojoba esters, cetyl alcohol, aloe barbadenis leaf juice, stearyl alcohol, distearyldimonium chloride, cetearyl alcohol, steareth-21, steareth-2, propylene glycol, chamomilla recutita (matricaria) flower extract, polysorbate 60, stearamidopropyl PG-dimonium chloride phospate, methyl gluceth-20, tocopheryl acetate, magnesium ascorbyl phosphate, hydrolyzed collagen, hydrolyzed dipotassium EDTA, fragrance, potassium hydroxide, diazolidinyl urea, methylparaben, proprlyparaben
I've found two products I think are non-comedogenic.
Botani Purify Facial Cleanser
Ingredients: Water (Aqua),Aloe Barbadensis (Leaf) Extract, Coco-Betaine, Glycerin,Cyamopsis, Tetragonoloba (Guar Gum),Decyl Glucoside, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Potassium Sorbate, Tocopherol (Natural Vitamin E), Lavandula Angustifolia (French Lavender) Oil, Echinacea Angustifolia Extract, Calendula Officinalis Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Extract, Citric Acid, Leptospermum Petersonii (Australian Lemon Scented Tea Tree) Oil
Mukti Tinted Moisturiser with Sunscreen
Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Leaf Juice*; Zinc Oxide; Green Tea (Camellia Sinensis) Extract*; Shea Butter (Butyrospermum Parkii)*; Glycerin (Vegetarian); Macadamia (Macadamia Ternifolia) & Jojoba (Simmondsia Chinensis) Oils*, Cetearyl Glucoside; Rosehip (Rosa Canina) & Calendula (Calendula Officinalis) Oils*; Vitamin E (Tocopherol); Essential Oils of Mandarin (Citrus Madurensis), Ylang Ylang (Cananga Odorata), Patchouli (Pogestemon Cablin), Tagetes (Tagetes Minuta)*; Benzyl Alcohol, Salicylic Acid & Sorbic Acid; Tint - Mica; Iron Oxides (CI 77491, CI 77492, CI 77499).
Not sure about the macadamia oil in the moisturiser though.
"Squalene" is on the comedogenic list twice back to back with a 1 low score and also a high score in red at 3. Which do we think it is?
Thanks for any help.
Considering la roche posay facial fluid
Ingredients are:
Water, Squalane, Glycerin, Dipropylene Glycol, Sodium Carbomer, Ethylhexyloxyglycerin/Ethylhexylglycerin, Capryl Glycol/Caprylyl Glycol.
This study from 1989
"journal of the society of cosmetic chemists" suggests different scores for many listed as low scores on the other list, rated them high here. Did you use this study as well in your results? Just curious thanks so much
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thanks for posting the list.
i hope people find it helpful.
but to all,not everything comedogenic is comedogenic for all and same goes for non-comedogenic ones too!
it's seen that everyone react differently.
but then,this list is what might help in general selection of products.
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As a companion to the The Bad List. This contains products whose formulation does not contain a single ingredient that has a comedogenic ingredient of 3 or higher.
This is purely informational. I am not making any blanket statements concerning any particular product. Use this post to inform yourself. What you choose to slather on your face is your own business.
If any products change their formulation or if you have cross-checked a product yourself that you'd like to add, please let me know.
CeraVe Hydrating Cleanser
Purified Water, Glycerin, Behentrimonium Methosulfate and Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceramide 3, Ceramide 6-II, Ceramide 1, Hyaluronic Acid, Cholesterol, Polyoxyl 40 Stearate, Glyceryl Monostearate, Stearyl Alcohol, Polysorbate 20, Potassium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Cetyl Alcohol, Disodium EDTA, Phytosphingosine, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Carbomer, Xanthan Gum
CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser
Purified Water, Cocamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine, Glycerin, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, PEG-150 Pentaerythrityl Terastearate and PEG-6 Caprylic/Capric Glycerides, Niacinamide, Propylene Glycol, Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate, Ceramide 3, Ceramide 6-II, Ceramide I, Hyaluronic Acid, Cholesterol, Sodium Chloride, Phytosphingosine, Citric Acid, Edetate Disodium, Dihydrate, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Carbomer, Xanthan Gum
CeraVe AM SPF 30
Active Ingredients: Homosalate 12%, Octinoxate 7.5%, Zinc Oxide 3.5%, Octocrylene 2%
Inactive Ingredients: Purified Water, Niacinamide, Behentrimonium methosulfate, Cetearyl alcohol, Glycerin, Hyaluronic acid, Dimethicone, Ceramide 3, Ceramide 6-II, Ceramide 1, Cholesterol, Phytosphingosine, Disodium EDTA, Sodium lauroyl lactylate, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Aluminum starch octenylsuccinate, Boron nitride, Carbomer, Xanthan gum
Neutrogena Extra Gentle Cleanser
Water (Purified), Glycerin, Capric/Caprylic Stearic Triglyceride, Cetyl Ricinoleate, Isohexadecane, TEA Cocoyl Glutamate, Methyl Glucose Sesquistearate, Stearyl Alcohol, Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG 40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, PEG 20 Methyl Glucose Sesquistearate, Bisabolol (L-Alpha), Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Dipotassium Glycyrrhizate (Licorice Root), Stearyl Glycyrrhetinate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Acrylates/C10 30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Triethanolamine, BHT, Geranium, Dipropylene Glycol, Phenoxyethanol, Propylparaben, Methylparaben
Neutrogena Ultra Gentle Daily Cleanser
Water, Glycerin, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Lauryl Glucoside, Potassium Accylates Copolymer, PEG 120 Methyl Glucose Dioleate, Disodium Lauroamphodiacetate, Sodium Cocoyl Sarcosinate, Ethylhexylglycerin, Caprylyl Glycol, Potassium Sorbate, Fragrance
Neutrogena Oil-Free Redness Soothing Facial Cleanser
Active Ingredients: Salicylic Acid (2%) (Acne Treatment)
Inactive Ingredients: Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Propylene Glycol, Butylene Glycol, Decyl Glucoside, PPG 5 Ceteth 20, Anthemis Nobilis (Roman Chamomile) Flower Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract (Matricaria), Cocamidopropyl PG-Dimonium Chloride Phosphate, Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Extract, Tetrahydroxypropyl Ethylenediamine, C12 15 Alkyl Lactate, Sodium Lactate, Menthyl Lactate, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Benzotriazole Butylphenol Sulfonate, Betaine (Sugar Beet), Dehydroxanthan Gum, Benzalkonium Chloride Solution, DMDM Hydantoin, Yellow 5 Lake, Blue 1 Lake (CI 42090), Fragrance
Simple Refreshing Facial Wash Gel
Water (Aqua), Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Propylene Glycol, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Panthenol, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxymethylglycinate
Simple Smoothing Facial Scrub
Water (Aqua), Mineral Oil (Paraffinum Liquidum), Cocoglucoside, Oryza Sativa (Rice) Powder, Polyethlene, Vegetable Oil, Panthenol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Pelargonium Graveolens Oil, Anthemis Nobilis Flower Oil, Acrylates Copolymer, Acrylates/C10 30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Sodium Hydroxymethylglycinate, Dipropylene Glycol, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben
Burt's Bees Natural Acne Solutions Purifying Gel Cleanser
Active Ingredients: Salicylic Acid (1.0%)(Acne Treatment)
Inactive Ingredients: Water, Decyl Glucoside, Lauryl Glucoside, Sucrose Laurate, Salix Nigra (Willow Bark) Extract (Willow), Coco Betaine, Betaine (Sugar Beet), Beet (Beta Vulgaris) Extract (Beet), Oenothera Biennis Leaf Extract (Evening Primrose), Sodium Cocoyl Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Hydroxypropyltrimonium Honey, Glycerin, Glyceryl Oleate, Coco Glucoside, Fragrance, Glucose, Alcohol Denatured, Glucose Oxidase, Lactoperoxidase, Citric Acid, Sodium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol
Burt's Bees Radiance Daily Cleanser with Royal Jelly
Water, Decyl Glucoside, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Oleosomes, Sodium Cocoyl Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Glycerin, Coco Glucoside, Glyceryl Oleate, Fragrance, Royal Jelly, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Vaccinium Myrtillus (Bilberry) Extract, Sugar Cane (Saccharum Officinarum) Extract, Sugar Maple Extract, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) (Sweet Orange Peel Extract), Lemon (Citrus Medica Limonium) Extract, Glucose, Xanthan Gum, Citric Acid, Sodium Chloride, Lactoperoxidase, Glucose Oxidase
Pond's Luminous Clean Daily Exfoliating Cleanser
Water, Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Propylene Glycol, Stearic Acid, Cetearyl Alcohol, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Oxidized Polyethylene, Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, Sodium Lauroyl Sulfoacetate, Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose, Sodium Isethionate, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Magnesium Aluminum Silicate, Polyethylene, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), DMDM Hydantoin, Fragrance, Disodium EDTA, Acacia Senegal Gum, Gelatin, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Kaolin, Mica, Red 30, Tin Oxide, Titanium Dioxide
Pond's Cold Cream The Cool Classic
Mineral Oil, Water, Ceresin, Beeswax, Triethanolamine, Behenic Acid, Fragrance, Ceteth 20, Cetyl Alcohol, Carbomer, DMDM Hydantoin, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Methylparaben
Aqua Glycolic Facial Cleanser
Water (Purified), Glycolic Acid, Ammonium Glycolate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Amino Methyl Propanol, Sorbitol, Stearyl Alcohol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben
Glory for Girls Everyday Foaming Cleanser
Aqua/Water/Eau (Water), Polysorbate 20, Hamamelis Virginiana (Witch Hazel) Water, Cocamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine, Citrus Grandis (Pink Grapefruit) Peel Oil, Lactic Acid (L), Decyl Glucoside, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Glycerin, Allantoin (Comfrey Root), Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Fruit Seed Extract, Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (Bergamot) Fruit Oil, Euterpe Oleracea (Acai Fruit) Extract, Arctium Lappa (Burdock) Root Extract, Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Leaf Juice (organic NOP certified), Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Xanthan Gum, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sorbitol, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Linalool, Limonene, Citral, Citronellol, Geraniol
DDF Blemish Foaming Cleanser
Salicylic Acid ([1.8%] Acne Medication)
Water, Amino Methyl Propanol, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Propylene Glycol, Triethanolamine, Cocamide DEA, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Allantoin (Comfrey Root) (Comfrey Root), Azelaic Acid, DMDM Hydantoin, Citric Acid, Disodium EDTA, Fragrance, Propylparaben, Commiphora Myrrha (Myrrh) Extract, Hydrastis Canadensis (Goldenseal) Extract, Propylene Glycol, Water, Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower Extract, Calendula (Calendula Officinalis) Flower Extract, Symphytum Officinale (Comfrey Root) Extract, Echinacea Angustifolia (Coneflower) Extract, Panthenol, Blue 1 Lake (CI 42090)
Cremo Face Moisturizer
Water, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Oleosomes, Neopentyl Glycol Diheptanoate, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Jojoba Esters, Hydroxyethyl Urea, Pentylene Glycol, Algae Extract, Mugwort (Artemisia Vulgaris) Extract, Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Leaf Juice, Xanthan Gum, Allantoin, Polyacrylate 13, Polyisobutene, Polysorbate 20, Capryl Hydroxamic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Methylpropanediol, Farnesol, Linalool
Willa Face Friendly Clear Face Moisturizer
Water, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Flower/Leaf/Stem Water, Glycerin, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Mangifera Indica (Mango) Fruit Extract, Citrus Nobilis (Mandarin Orange) Fruit Extract, Zea Mays (Corn) Silk Extract, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Extract, Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Eucalyptus Radiata Flower/Leaf/Stem Oil, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Phytate, Sodium Hydroxide, Dehydroacetic Acid, Benzyl Alcohol
Vanicream Sport Sunscreen SPF 35
Zinc Oxide (8%), Octinoxate (7.5%)
Water (Purified), Cyclomethicone, Glycerin, Tridecyl Neopentanoate, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cetyl/PEG/PPG 10/1 Dimethicone, Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Polyethylene, Cyclomethicone, Dimethicone, PEG 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate, Vitamin E, Magnesium Chloride Hexahydrate, Triethoxycaprylylsilane
Vanicrema Sunscreen Sensitive Skin, SPF 60
Titanium Dioxide (5%), Zinc Oxide (5%)
Alumina, C12 15 Alkyl Benzoate, Capric/Caprylic Stearic Triglyceride, Cetearyl Isononanoate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Isopropyl Titanium Triisostearate/triethoxycaprylylsilane (Crosspolymer), Methylpropanediol, PEG 12 Dimethicone, PEG 30 Dipolyhydroxystearate, Phenyltrimethicone, Polyethylene, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Water (Purified), Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate (Vitamin C), Stearyl Dimethicone, Tetrasodium EDTA, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Triethoxycaprylylsilane
EltaMD UV Clear SPF 46
Zinc Oxide (9.0%, UVA/UVB Sunscreen), Octinoxate (7.5%, UVA/UVB Sunscreen)
Water, Cyclomethicone, Niacinamide, Octyldodecyl Neopentanoate, Hydroxyethyl Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Polyisobutene, PEG 7 Trimethylolpropane Coconut Ether, Sodium Hyaluronate, Tocopheryl Acetate, Lactic Acid, Oleth 3 Phosphate, Phenoxyethanol, Butylene Glycol, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Triethoxycaprylylsilane
Blue Lizard Australian Sunscreen Daily Moisturizer SPF 30+
Octinoxate (5.5%), Zinc Oxide (8%)
Water (Purified), C12 15 Alkyl Benzoate, Cyclomethicone, Lauryl PEG/PPG 18/18 Methicone, Polyacrylamide, C13 14 Isoparaffin, Laureth 7, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Hyaluronic Acid, Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea) Leaf Extract, Beeswax (Apis Mellifera), Caffeine, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben
Boots No7 Protect & Perfect Intense Beauty Serum
Cyclopentasiloxane, Aqua/Water/Eau (Water), Butylene Glycol, Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Cyclohexasiloxane, Glycerin, Arabinogalactan, Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate (Vitamin C), Magnesium Sulfate, Dimethicone Copolyol (Silica), Phenoxyethanol, Sodium PCA, Cetyl/PEG/PPG 10/1 Dimethicone, Hexyl Laurate, Polyglyceryl 4 Isostearate, Retinyl Acetate (Vitamin A), Medicago Sativa (Alfalfa) Extract (Alfalfa), Methylparaben, Propylene Glycol, Lupinus Albus Seed Extract, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben, Carbomer, Propylparaben, Isobutylparaben, Polysorbate 20, Ginseng (Panax Ginseng) Root Extract, Morus Alba (Mulberry) Leaf Extract, Tocopherol (Natural Vitamin E), Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide
Boots No7 Lifting & Firming Night Cream
Aqua/Water/Eau (Water), Glycerin, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) Fruit (Shea butter), Cyclopentasiloxane, Steareth 21, C12 15 Alkyl Benzoate, Capric/Caprylic Stearic Triglyceride, Cyclohexasiloxane, Dimethicone, Polyacrylamide, Cetearyl Alcohol, Steareth 2, Glyceryl Stearate, PVP
Shea Moisture Organic Shea Butter
Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter) , Extracts of Frankincense and Myrrh , Tocopherol (Vitamin E) , Essential Oil Blend
Cetaphil DermaControl Oil Control Moisturizer SPF 30
Avobenzone 3%, Octisalate (5%), Octocrylene (7%)
Water, Isopropyl Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Glycerin, Dimethicone, Diisopropyl Sebacate, Silica, Polymethyl Methacrylate, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Sucrose Tristearate, Dimethiconol, Pentylene Glycol, Polysorbate 61, Sodium Stearoyl Glutamate, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Glycyrrhetinic Acid, Panthenol, Triethanolamine, Allantoin, Carbomer, Potassium Sorbate, Zinc Gluconate, Xanthan Gum, Disodium EDTA, Hydroxypalmitoyl Sphinganine
Alba Botanica Natural AcneDote Oil Control Lotion
Salicylic Acid 2.0% Acne Treatment
Aqua/Water/Eau, Ethylhexyl Stearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Dimethicone, Cetearyl Olivate, Sorbitan Olivate, Polysorbate 60, Azadirachta Indica (Neem) Extract, Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea) Extract, Carum Petroselinum (Parsley) Extract, Melissa Officinalis Leaf Extract, Salix Alba (Willow) Bark Extract, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Potassium Hydroxide, Xanthan Gum, Alcohol, Benzoic Acid, Dehydroacetate Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Citral, Limonene, Linalool, Fragrance (Parfum), Certified Organic Ingredient, Naturally Derived Botanical Fragrance
Queen Helene Mint Julep Mask
Water, Kaolin, Bentonite (CI 77004), Glycerin, Zinc Oxide, Propylene Glycol, Sulfur, Chromium Oxide Green (CI#77288), Fragrance (Parfum), Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben
Simple Replenishing Rich Moisturizer
Water (Aqua), Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Glycerin, Polyglyceryl 3 Methylglucose Distearate, Stearyl Alcohol, Panthenol, Polyacrylamide, Stearic Acid, C13 14 Isoparaffin, Caprylyl Glycol, Laureth 7, Allantoin, Pentylene Glycol, Bisabolol, Disodium EDTA, Lactic Acid, Sodium Lactate, Serine, Sodium Hydroxypropyl Starch Phosphate, Urea, Sorbitol, Sodium Chloride, Citric Acid, Methylisothiazolinone, Phenoxyethanol
Simple Hydrating Light Moisturizer
Water (Aqua), Glycerin, Polyglyceryl 3 Methylglucose Distearate, Mineral Oil (Paraffinum Liquidum), Cetyl Palmitate, Dimethicone, Borago Officinalis Seed Oil, Tocopheryl Acetate, Panthenol, Cetyl Alcohol, Caprylyl Glycol, Carbomer, Potassium Hydroxide, Pentylene Glycol, Bisabolol, Acrylates/C10 30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Lactate, Lactic Acid, Mica, Serine, urea, Sorbitol, Sodium Chloride, Allantoin, Citric Acid, Methylisothiazolinone, Phenoxyethanol, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891)
Dickinson's Original Witch Hazel Foaming Facial Wash
Contains: Water, Hamamelis Virgiana (Witch Hazel) Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, PEG-80 Sorbitan Laurate, PEG-150 Distearate, Disodium Cocamphodiacetate, Sodium Lauroampho PG Acetate Phosphate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Quaternium-15, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Chamomilla Recutita Flower Extract, Citric Acid, Witch Hazel Flower Extract
what about this?
this list is bullshit
green gables put a lot of time and effort into making that list just to try and help other people, would you care to elaborate beyond your mindless insult? i'm assuming you've had a bad experience with one of the listed products, but as green gables clearly says in the beginning of the first post,
This is purely informational. I am not making any blanket statements concerning any particular product. Use this post to inform yourself. What you choose to slather on your face is your own business.
On 8/8/2013 at 2:39 AM, circumambient said:On 8/7/2013 at 8:30 PM, Rheks said:this list is bullshit
green gables put a lot of time and effort into making that list just to try and help other people, would you care to elaborate beyond your mindless insult? i'm assuming you've had a bad experience with one of the listed products, but as green gables clearly says in the beginning of the first post,
On 8/23/2012 at 4:13 AM, Green Gables said:>This is purely informational. I am not making any blanket statements concerning any particular product. Use this post to inform yourself. What you choose to slather on your face is your own business.
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i agree with xxyy(i loved this name too)!
not everything suits everyone, everyone is different!!
I'm not taking the time to update this list anymore, but hopefully the information here will be of use to somebody.
On 8/8/2013 at 2:39 AM, ramsaymac said:On 8/7/2013 at 8:30 PM, Rheks said:this list is bullshit
green gables put a lot of time and effort into making that list just to try and help other people, would you care to elaborate beyond your mindless insult? i'm assuming you've had a bad experience with one of the listed products, but as green gables clearly says in the beginning of the first post,
On 8/23/2012 at 4:13 AM, Green Gables said:>>This is purely informational. I am not making any blanket statements concerning any particular product. Use this post to inform yourself. What you choose to slather on your face is your own business.
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Because all of the products she or he has suggested, contradicts his/her bad list, as they contain multiple bad ingredients, for example a few of them contained tocopherol, which they rated a 2. For lots of others too.
and I know she says below 3, but if anything is comdogenic at all, it ain't good, coming from experience cetyl alcohol, breaks me out like a mofo.