@icepikachu: I don't have any advice for you regarding the dermaroller. However, I totally know how deflating it is to see your scars in the mirror over and over again. I used to do the same - just looking and examining and wishing things were better. I have to say, my mood and overall quality of life got better once I decided to stop looking in the mirror so often. I made a conscious decision to stop examining myself so much because looking at my scars doesn't change their appearance at all. I know it is only a small thing, but there was something about not always looking at myself and my scars that helped me feel better about myself over time. It won't help you forget how you look, but it might help you stop thinking about it every second of the day. I wish you the best of luck with your scar improvement attempts.

Thanks Lyllia for your reply. I's highly appreciated .

Currently, I'm continuing my routine based on Ascorbic Acid mixed with water, Tretinoin and Dermaroller. I'm not sure to continue to use tretinoin because I've seen a report in France about fake medications from Asia and I bought my tretinoin on Alldaychemist. It seems to be a serious seller but it's hard to track the origins of their products.

For me it's almost impossible not to look in the mirror several times a day. Sometimes, i'm seeing some improvements and I'm quite happy while other times the things are still the same and that make me crazy.

Yesterday, i decided to switch from 1.5 mm dermaroller to 2.0 mm dermaroller. I also bought a 3.0 mm dermaroller. I will be really really careful with this one as I don't want to make things more bad as they are. But I know my skin is pretty thick with good healing capabilities. I can roll and stamp with my 1.5 mm for 40 mm with a lot of pressure and be red just for 2-3 days.

Hope it will work.

It's really hard to judge the improvement of my skin after 4 dermaroller sessions. So far i guess j've had maybe 15% improvement. It make me smile to see people think they will have 70-80% results after one or two rolls. Personnaly, I know my fight against acne scarring is a long and hard struggle that will take at least 1 year and a half or more. The key is to be consistent and not to give up.

 

just as a side comment - you must never ever EVER use the 3mm dermaroller on your face. it is designed for stretchmarks and other scars located on your body. they havent been designed for use on the face. the skin on your face is not as deep and you may end up with even more scarring.

 

Thanks for your advice sydney_fellow. As I said before, I will be and I am really cautious with my dermaroller program. I will do some patch-tests on my arm or leg and of course I will start with the 2.0 mm dermaroller to see how my skin reacts. After 2 sessions or more of 2 mm i may consider using the 3 mm model moderately as a stamp. For me, I cannot even think using it as a roller (it should scratch the skin badly ) or using it intensively without any caution.

What is more, I've read almost every documentation available on the internet regarding dermaroller procedure and I've read that Des Fernandes uses a 3 mm model on his patients (and a lot of people here use 3 mm needles to break their scars tissues).

Of course,even if i'm not a dermatologist I know it's rather dangerous to use it on face. But many dermatologists use it even on areas where the skin is rather thin with a lot pressure:

For 3-mm medical needling to be at its most effective, Miller believes that the needling must be aggressive with repeated passes beyond the vermilion margin and the nasolabial labiomental creases. The procedural endpoint is when there is diffuse bleeding and purpurathe lack of normal skin color.

to the more experienced rollers what do you guys think about this picture

before&after

micro swelling or genuine improvement?

In my humble opinion this isn't microswelling. Microswelling following a dermaroller treatment is not as important as with a profractionnal laser for example. With quite deep scars like on the pic you posted microswelling is minimal.

What is more you can see wart/pimples on the first picture while they're no more there on the second one.

In my opinion, the second pic is months after the first one and the patient has had probably 6-7 deep sessions of dermaroller.

It's also possible that the woman used a 0.3 or a 0.5 mm dermaroller for products (such as L-ascorbic acid and Vitamin A) in between more agressive dermaroller sessions

Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum. I have few pitted acne scars on my face since last 6-8 years. I've gone through 5 microdermabrasion treatment last year but I din't see much difference. Now I'm thinking to buy a derma-roller. Can any one please tell me which brand should I buy and what needle length is good to start with. Plus what are the other pre/post creams/serums that I need to buy besides the roller.

I'll be really very thankful.

Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum. I have few pitted acne scars on my face since last 6-8 years. I've gone through 5 microdermabrasion treatment last year but I din't see much difference. Now I'm thinking to buy a derma-roller. Can any one please tell me which brand should I buy and what needle length is good to start with. Plus what are the other pre/post creams/serums that I need to buy besides the roller.

I'll be really very thankful.

MT rollers are cheap and good. You can find them on ebay. Id start with 1.5mm and move onto 2mm if need be. C-boost, and Essentia-A from environ are some of the better before and after topicals.

Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum. I have few pitted acne scars on my face since last 6-8 years. I've gone through 5 microdermabrasion treatment last year but I din't see much difference. Now I'm thinking to buy a derma-roller. Can any one please tell me which brand should I buy and what needle length is good to start with. Plus what are the other pre/post creams/serums that I need to buy besides the roller.

I'll be really very thankful.

MT rollers are cheap and good. You can find them on ebay. Id start with 1.5mm and move onto 2mm if need be. C-boost, and Essentia-A from environ are some of the better before and after topicals.

 

Thank you. Is there any official site from where I can buy this roller? as shipment takes 3-4 weeks from e-bay... secondly there are lots of creams on environ website but i counl't find C-Boost or Essentia-A... 🙁

I rolled for the second time last week with a 1.5 mm roller.

So i'm in the 7th week of the treatment, zero change in my scar.

I'm getting really impatient and frustrated with this.

When should you start seeing improvement? I'm rolling on a atrophic scar on my cheek.

But there's no filling in at all to this point. It's just very passive, not shallower, not deeper, not wider, not smaller.

What's going on?

I use vit A and C + copper peptides as topicals

For the people who had good results, when did your scar started to change? After how long and how many rolls.

Be patient. People fight with their scarring for years so I doubt you will have immediate results after 7 weeks. I decided to treat mine only recently and am planning a 1-year treatment with dermarolling, TCA cross, topicals, diet and alternatively - fillers. Keep dermarolling and applying your topicals and you will see improvements - they will come with time and think positively - it's better to do something than waste time and do nothing. I've "wasted" a well couple of years.

Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum. I have few pitted acne scars on my face since last 6-8 years. I've gone through 5 microdermabrasion treatment last year but I din't see much difference. Now I'm thinking to buy a derma-roller. Can any one please tell me which brand should I buy and what needle length is good to start with. Plus what are the other pre/post creams/serums that I need to buy besides the roller.

I'll be really very thankful.

MT rollers are cheap and good. You can find them on ebay. Id start with 1.5mm and move onto 2mm if need be. C-boost, and Essentia-A from environ are some of the better before and after topicals.

 

Thank you. Is there any official site from where I can buy this roller? as shipment takes 3-4 weeks from e-bay... secondly there are lots of creams on environ website but i counl't find C-Boost or Essentia-A... 🙁

 

I only know of ebay. Go to first for skin care dot com thats where i got my environ stuff.

has anyone rolled/needled to improve hypopigmentation? im considering this but dont know if its a long shot. thanks.

Wow, great thread. Just lacks pics 😛

I got a doctor roller 1.5mm ready to go but am scared to death of starting in fear of screwing something up and making my ice picks look worse.

Remember, you can start off as slowly as you want. Just go at a pace that is comfortable for you.

munsoned how much bleeding do you experience?

Pepo, I usually roll pretty aggressively so I do experience a good amount of bleeding.

Hi Munsoned,

I've already used three times a 1.5 mm roller on my face. So far the results are decent on my icepicks scars and on my skin texture even if the improvement is not impressive. I give myself 1 year and a half to judge the results (with deep rolling every 5-6 weeks).

I would like to ask you something. I've bought on the Internet some Pure Ascorbic Acid Cristals and each day I mix it with water in order to make my own serum. Before applying it, I slightly roll my face with a 0.5 mm roller for skin products penetration. Do you think it's a good idea?

When I roll myself with my 1.5 mm dermaroller (until my face is covered with blood) the redness last for 3 or 4 days. Do you think I can switch to a 2.0 mm dermaroller in order to enhance the results even if some people say it's counterproductive to use such a length of needles.

I'm really tired of my scars all over my face and even my neck. They are some much deeper and more numerous than what I can see in real life or on the internet and they have litteraly ruined my life. I spend all my time looking at my scars in the mirror in every possible position. Now I really want to get rid of them in order to focuss myself on more positive things (maybe find a girlfriend :D).

Sorry for the bad english, I'm french.

icepikachu, your english is fine..And I can certainly relate to how down and out scars can get you. It is not an easy fight that is for sure..As far as your vitamin c serum. Do a google search on how to make your own home made c serum. You want it to be roughly 10-20% concentration and a ph of 3.5 or lower. So you may need to purchase some supplies to test your c serum so you can get it right..I do think a 2mm roller can be beneficial to a greater extent then a 1.5mm on certain scars. But don't expect miracles..Look in to individual needling to do in combination with your rolling to enhance results also. I have not used a .5 roller to enhance skin product penetration. You would know better then me if it works because I have not tried it. Just pay attention to how you respond. Many of us are doing alot of this for the first time so we are learning as we are going..

and just keep hanging in there. I know it is much easier said then done but try not to center everything around your scars. Do whatever you can to help your situation improve. Not just the physical aspects of this fight but the mental. Talk with somebody if need be. You can over come this, you just have to be willing to work hard. And be patient with rolling. it is not a miracle fix but in time you'll see improvements..Keep us posted as you continue on your journey.

hey munsoned,

thanks for the 2mm advice. hope ur doing well

and enjoy the summer.

scoob

Thanks alot buddy..And thank you for all your help and support. Still keeping at it but I am not rolling as much. I am kind of getting down to the nitty gritty with most of my scars. Some I am just needling individually as they are just about at a satisfactory level of improvement. And I only have one patch of scars left that I roll and needle. The rest are all down to the finer details which require just a needle. So I am taking longer down times to get the most out of each session at this point. So things have slowed down. I'll be doing another session this coming weekend, my first of the summer. Hope things are moving along nicely for you my friend.:)

@icepikachu: I don't have any advice for you regarding the dermaroller. However, I totally know how deflating it is to see your scars in the mirror over and over again. I used to do the same - just looking and examining and wishing things were better. I have to say, my mood and overall quality of life got better once I decided to stop looking in the mirror so often. I made a conscious decision to stop examining myself so much because looking at my scars doesn't change their appearance at all. I know it is only a small thing, but there was something about not always looking at myself and my scars that helped me feel better about myself over time. It won't help you forget how you look, but it might help you stop thinking about it every second of the day. I wish you the best of luck with your scar improvement attempts.

Thanks for chiming in with the positive support Lillya..Much easier said then done but you are right about what you said. Dwelling on the scars all the time is not going to do any good. Gotta find constructive ways to spend your time.

hey munsoned, read all your posts, any updates you can share with us especially in regard to your scarred pores?

cheers

jguy, I am still at it..Slowed down in the past several months though. Just taking longer down times between rolls to get the most out of each session. I am doing more individual needling then rolling now and days because I no longer have large area's that need to be rolled. Only one patch that needs rolling which is a combination of scars but also a portion of my face I was badly burned. So it was a real mess and has been extremely difficult to treat. Most of my scarred pores are at the very least improved. The percent at which they are improved is on a scar to scar basis. Some have improved drasticly and others not much at all. But enmough to where I notice they have improved and that alone is rewarding. Over the winter I may tca spot treat a couple of my remaining ice pick scars if I feel they can benefit from it at that time.

to the more experienced rollers what do you guys think about this picture

before&after

micro swelling or genuine improvement?

If that is after 1 treatment she heals a whole heck of alot better then me..It looks like acual improvements to me rather then microswelling.

I rolled for the second time last week with a 1.5 mm roller.

So i'm in the 7th week of the treatment, zero change in my scar.

I'm getting really impatient and frustrated with this.

When should you start seeing improvement? I'm rolling on a atrophic scar on my cheek.

But there's no filling in at all to this point. It's just very passive, not shallower, not deeper, not wider, not smaller.

What's going on?

I use vit A and C + copper peptides as topicals

For the people who had good results, when did your scar started to change? After how long and how many rolls.

You could include individual needling to your program..That may help get things moving along. It is hard to say how long it could take?? I have scars that responded quickly and others barely at all in well over a year if not 2 years of treatment. You just got keep at it and keep trying to find ways to make it improve.

Be patient. People fight with their scarring for years so I doubt you will have immediate results after 7 weeks. I decided to treat mine only recently and am planning a 1-year treatment with dermarolling, TCA cross, topicals, diet and alternatively - fillers. Keep dermarolling and applying your topicals and you will see improvements - they will come with time and think positively - it's better to do something than waste time and do nothing. I've "wasted" a well couple of years.

Kamiwo, that is the right attitude. I like the sounds of your scar revision program. Please keep me updated along your journey.

I examined my skin carefullllllly today and a strange thing happened - 2 weeks after my first roll, today I spotted something like slightly enlarged pores on the surface of some of my rolling scars. The rolling scars are still indented - really, I can see no real improvement but is it possible that a pore is created on a scar tissue????? Can anyone explain this?

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Hey munsoned, so what's your honest overall opinion at this point? Is it worth dedicating a year to dermarolling?

Also, did you ever try using Terproline Professional? If so, why did you stop using it?

Thanks for a great thread Munsoned.

How much of an improvement do you think you've seen?

What is the led you spoke of on Page 3 with lamarr? Ive never heard of this before...

And what cream did you use. Iniitially it was Copper Peptide, but then did you change to Vit c Serum?

I've been needling scars on my chest for 2 years now, on and off.They've all responded brilliantly bar one massive indented scar which was as a result of my senile useless millionaire derm injecting far too much steroids leaving me with approx 2cm diameter hole in the centre of my chest.

I only started needling my ffacelast week . I've a dermaroller ordered but i might just use my box of diabetic 31 guage needles instead. They last ages and i've a hundred left

Thanks for your help and good luck!

John

has anyone rolled/needled to improve hypopigmentation? im considering this but dont know if its a long shot. thanks.

I have (and had) some pitted scars that are white. After needling some of them did get pigmentation and look similar in color to the rest of the skin around. A few have not regained pigmentation.

Hey munsoned, so what's your honest overall opinion at this point? Is it worth dedicating a year to dermarolling?

Also, did you ever try using Terproline Professional? If so, why did you stop using it?

LO, I never used Terproline Pro. So I realy cannot comment on it one way or another. Dermarolling/needling has been worth it for me..My skin is in much better shape today then when I began..I still have scars. One of which I am going to tca cross starting next month. It will not respond to needling. And I have some other scars that have been stubborn and continue to resist treatment. This is a long slow treatment. Depending on the severity of your scars, how your skin responds to treatment are all big factors. But I realy don't know of any quick fixes. Our options are limited for improving scars. So if you find something that helps you have found something worth doing in my opinion.