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I was wondering if anyone has actually had success with healing their scars. I have tried subcision (Dr. Rullan), TCA Cross, 3 sessions of CO2 laser (which made my pores massive), and chemical peels and nothing seems to work. I am beginning to feel that scar treatments are just money grabs for derms because there doesn™t seem to be a real cure unless your scars are mild. If anyone has had major success with a procedure then please let me know because I feel hopeless at this point. I™ll attach pics of my scars for reference. They actually didn™t look as bad until I had subcision done by Dr. Rullan and they ended up looking worse. I™d even be willing to go as far as skin grafting if my skin is irreparable but I can™t find a lot of info on that. 
1 hour ago, mikeymikee said:I was wondering if anyone has actually had success with healing their scars. I have tried subcision (Dr. Rullan), TCA Cross, 3 sessions of CO2 laser (which made my pores massive), and chemical peels and nothing seems to work. I am beginning to feel that scar treatments are just money grabs for derms because there doesn™t seem to be a real cure unless your scars are mild. If anyone has had major success with a procedure then please let me know because I feel hopeless at this point. I™ll attach pics of my scars for reference. They actually didn™t look as bad until I had subcision done by Dr. Rullan and they ended up looking worse. I™d even be willing to go as far as skin grafting if my skin is irreparable but I can™t find a lot of info on that.
At the time I wasn't sure if I was imagining things, but I think mined looked worst after rullan did a a sub too! 3 months later tho.
Do your guys know why that is?
I've seen way better improvement with rolling scars than with other scar types. If I were you I would continue to try subcision, but with a different doctor. I've read that there are multiple (at least 3) layers in the skin at which subcision can be done. You might want to find a doctor who can verify this and perform subcision on these different layers for you.
Edit: This is assuming that you do have rolling scars, and not wide boxcar scars. Maybe that you didn't have success with subcision means they could be the latter? I don't know.
3 hours ago, dirigo39 said:
At the time I wasn't sure if I was imagining things, but I think mined looked worst after rullan did a a sub too! 3 months later tho.
Do your guys know why that is?
Same experience after I had my second session of Subcision with dr rullan the scar started to look deeper. But maybe they start to looks worse before they look better. It seems like you should have gone with some filler as well since you dont have scar edges much. Maybe you can try Taylor liberator or just more Subcision sessions in general and do incorporate fillers.
2 hours ago, getsmart121 said:Same experience after I had my second session of Subcision with dr rullan the scar started to look deeper. But maybe they start to looks worse before they look better. It seems like you should have gone with some filler as well since you dont have scar edges much. Maybe you can try Taylor liberator or just more Subcision sessions in general and do incorporate fillers.
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2 hours ago, getsmart121 said:Same experience after I had my second session of Subcision with dr rullan the scar started to look deeper. But maybe they start to looks worse before they look better. It seems like you should have gone with some filler as well since you dont have scar edges much. Maybe you can try Taylor liberator or just more Subcision sessions in general and do incorporate fillers.
Unfortunately, I did get Juvederm filler and Dr. Rullan is notorious for not doing filler well yet I got it anywayso I had raised bumps for a while. The only other proceduresI havent tried isa phenol peel and Microneedling so I might try those options but Im not sure if theyll work with my deep scars.
6 hours ago, dirigo39 said:
At the time I wasn't sure if I was imagining things, but I think mined looked worst after rullan did a a sub too! 3 months later tho.
Do your guys know why that is?
I had subcision with Rullan too and my scars looked worse after.
8 hours ago, mikeymikee said:I was wondering if anyone has actually had success with healing their scars. I have tried subcision (Dr. Rullan), TCA Cross, 3 sessions of CO2 laser (which made my pores massive), and chemical peels and nothing seems to work. I am beginning to feel that scar treatments are just money grabs for derms because there doesn™t seem to be a real cure unless your scars are mild. If anyone has had major success with a procedure then please let me know because I feel hopeless at this point. I™ll attach pics of my scars for reference. They actually didn™t look as bad until I had subcision done by Dr. Rullan and they ended up looking worse. I™d even be willing to go as far as skin grafting if my skin is irreparable but I can™t find a lot of info on that.
When you slightly pull the skin like give it slight tension do the scars become a lot less noticeable?
10 hours ago, mikeymikee said:I was wondering if anyone has actually had success with healing their scars. I have tried subcision (Dr. Rullan), TCA Cross, 3 sessions of CO2 laser (which made my pores massive), and chemical peels and nothing seems to work. I am beginning to feel that scar treatments are just money grabs for derms because there doesn™t seem to be a real cure unless your scars are mild. If anyone has had major success with a procedure then please let me know because I feel hopeless at this point. I™ll attach pics of my scars for reference. They actually didn™t look as bad until I had subcision done by Dr. Rullan and they ended up looking worse. I™d even be willing to go as far as skin grafting if my skin is irreparable but I can™t find a lot of info on that.
Everybody is different so it™s ready hard to make recommendations but just in my experience¦.subcision can do wonders to those rolling/wavy scars¦not the œmini baby individual subcision œ but the major bloody one with instruments inserted in both of your sideburns done in 3 layers¦. I am still recovering from my subcision and my rolling/wavy scars weren™t that bad to begin with but after subcision I can™t seem to see them in any lighting anymore ( could be inflammation, time will tell) but I have yet to see improvement on boxcar and icepick scars (still red, bruised)¦. I am also one of the few cheerleaders for dermabrasion lol¦.I did it twice and erased a lot of my superficial scarring, edges on boxcar scars and nicer overall skin texture but the recovery was hellish¦.. based from my experience rolling scars are easier to treat than icepick and boxcar, a good doc can improve that with subcision and fillers I think but it will cost a lot of money, patience, and time¦.. goodluck!
1 hour ago, MissCamay2005 said:Everybody is different so itsready hard to make recommendations but just in my experience.subcision can do wonders to those rolling/wavy scarsnot the mini baby individual subcision but the major bloody one with instruments inserted in both of your sideburns done in 3 layers. I am still recovering from my subcision and my rolling/wavy scars werent that bad to begin with but after subcision I cantseem to see them in any lighting anymore ( could be inflammation, time will tell)but I have yet to see improvement on boxcar and icepick scars (still red, bruised). I am also one of the few cheerleaders for dermabrasion lol.I did it twice and erased a lot of my superficial scarring, edges on boxcar scars and nicer overall skin texture but the recovery was hellish.. based from my experience rolling scars are easier to treat than icepick and boxcar, a good doc can improve that with subcision and fillers I think but it will cost a lot of money, patience, and time.. goodluck!
Are you talking about Taylor libertator?
1 hour ago, MissCamay2005 said:I am also one of the few cheerleaders for dermabrasion lol.I did it twice and erased a lot of my superficial scarring, edges on boxcar scars and nicer overall skin texture but the recovery was hellish
Yes but it doesn't heal fat loss that's the problem. Basically if you get a good result from dermabrasion it can blend edges to where the scars themselves look invisible, but if you move the skin with your fingers let's say you can see the fat gapsso it's sorta a procedure that only works well on certain people, particularly just lots and lots of icepicks or maybe boxcars and not as much deeper trauma perhaps. And yeah the recovery is hellish if you do as ablative as me.
Yes it was like the edges deepen. Before when I put on foundation (makeup) you only saw a couple marks, now you can still see them standing 20 ft away.
6 hours ago, ScarfromtheLionKing said:I've seen way better improvement with rolling scars than with other scar types. If I were you I would continue to try subcision, but with a different doctor. I've read that there are multiple (at least 3) layers in the skin at which subcision can be done. You might want to find a doctor who can verify this and perform subcision on these different layers for you.
Edit: This is assuming that you do have rolling scars, and not wide boxcar scars. Maybe that you didn't have success with subcision means they could be the latter? I don't know.
Rullan told me he did his subs at "different levels of th skin" so apparently he does do this.
8 hours ago, MissCamay2005 said:Everybody is different so itsready hard to make recommendations but just in my experience.subcision can do wonders to those rolling/wavy scarsnot the mini baby individual subcision but the major bloody one with instruments inserted in both of your sideburns done in 3 layers. I am still recovering from my subcision and my rolling/wavy scars werent that bad to begin with but after subcision I cantseem to see them in any lighting anymore ( could be inflammation, time will tell)but I have yet to see improvement on boxcar and icepick scars (still red, bruised). I am also one of the few cheerleaders for dermabrasion lol.I did it twice and erased a lot of my superficial scarring, edges on boxcar scars and nicer overall skin texture but the recovery was hellish.. based from my experience rolling scars are easier to treat than icepick and boxcar, a good doc can improve that with subcision and fillers I think but it will cost a lot of money, patience, and time.. goodluck!
Believe me when I say that Dr. Rullan does the major subcision, not the mini baby one. When I got up from the table my cheeks looked as big as a chipmunks and there was blood all over the floor. When I walked out to the car my mom was talking to someone on the phoneand she literally gasped and hung up the phone because she was soshocked at how I looked (not in a good way haha).I dont mean to discourage you, but I saw what seemed like major improvement after the first few months but then the skin slowly sank back down and I even saw new scars appear that werent there before so give it time. What really hurt was when I told my friends that I had a procedure done and they said they didnt notice anything. I wanted to throw up because that was $2,000 down the drain.Hopefully your scars will actually be healed though! I also suctioned everyday, multiple times a day, and it still didnt work. At this point I feel like the only way to improve fat loss would be a fat transplant because fillers dont really do much to make up for the fat loss. Even if you look at Dr. Hazanys work he did on Supreme Patty, Patty has millions and has paid the price needed to get his scars fixed but when he does close up videos you can still see he has a lot of scarring even after at least $100,000 worth of work. At this point I give up on the major procedures so Im hoping either dermabrasion or Microneedling will help and if not then thats the cross I have to bear I guess.
1 hour ago, mikeymikee said:Believe me when I say that Dr. Rullan does the major subcision, not the mini baby one. When I got up from the table my cheeks looked as big as a chipmunks and there was blood all over the floor. When I walked out to the car my mom was talking to someone on the phoneand she literally gasped and hung up the phone because she was soshocked at how I looked (not in a good way haha).I dont mean to discourage you, but I saw what seemed like major improvement after the first few months but then the skin slowly sank back down and I even saw new scars appear that werent there before so give it time. What really hurt was when I told my friends that I had a procedure done and they said they didnt notice anything. I wanted to throw up because that was $2,000 down the drain.Hopefully your scars will actually be healed though! I also suctioned everyday, multiple times a day, and it still didnt work. At this point I feel like the only way to improve fat loss would be a fat transplant because fillers dont really do much to make up for the fat loss. Even if you look at Dr. Hazanys work he did on Supreme Patty, Patty has millions and has paid the price needed to get his scars fixed but when he does close up videos you can still see he has a lot of scarring even after at least $100,000 worth of work. At this point I give up on the major procedures so Im hoping either dermabrasion or Microneedling will help and if not then thats the cross I have to bear I guess.
Dermabrasion actually is very much a similar outcome if it goes super well to "supreme patty" up close basically. It solves problems but the texture is imperfect somewhat,and the scars are just very either blended, invisible or small unless up close. I mean it's still like leaps and bounds over the alternative though.I didn't know who he was until I googled him. Microneedling doesn't seem to do much of anything except for some reports of pcp needling maybe that some have shown beneficial.
As for fat filler, I think it's the most applicable thing but fat filler can shift that's the problem. It can clump or shift. HA fillers "bind" to the areas. Your own fat can unbind or just not bind as well over months or years. I don't know whether it's simply a case of if it's the anatomy of one's scar or the talent or something else that causes it to clump and not clump, but it's a risk. Fat filler DOES reabsorb over 5-10 years they say so it's a long time but it's not permanent apparently.
Also HA fillers (juvederm) bind but also leave more and more of the dermis broken. Basically as it dissolves my understanding is it takes some of the stuff it binds to with it, and absorbs that too. It's an imperfect solution and makes you needing more and more filler in the same spot which leaves atrophy and/or wrinkles or blurs around other scars. That makes me want to choose a more long term filler obviously but again fat filler seems like a gamble. Fat filler is always accepted though because it's your material.
Getsmart does rullan or anyone you know have anything good to say about fat filler transfer? Anyone else?
3 hours ago, mikeymikee said:Believe me when I say that Dr. Rullan does the major subcision, not the mini baby one. When I got up from the table my cheeks looked as big as a chipmunks and there was blood all over the floor. When I walked out to the car my mom was talking to someone on the phoneand she literally gasped and hung up the phone because she was soshocked at how I looked (not in a good way haha).I dont mean to discourage you, but I saw what seemed like major improvement after the first few months but then the skin slowly sank back down and I even saw new scars appear that werent there before so give it time. What really hurt was when I told my friends that I had a procedure done and they said they didnt notice anything. I wanted to throw up because that was $2,000 down the drain.Hopefully your scars will actually be healed though! I also suctioned everyday, multiple times a day, and it still didnt work. At this point I feel like the only way to improve fat loss would be a fat transplant because fillers dont really do much to make up for the fat loss. Even if you look at Dr. Hazanys work he did on Supreme Patty, Patty has millions and has paid the price needed to get his scars fixed but when he does close up videos you can still see he has a lot of scarring even after at least $100,000 worth of work. At this point I give up on the major procedures so Im hoping either dermabrasion or Microneedling will help and if not then thats the cross I have to bear I guess.
Youre swollen from the numbing technique he does not the sub.
2 hours ago, harmlessboy1441 said:Also HA fillers (juvederm) bind but also leave more and more of the dermis broken. Basically as it dissolves my understanding is it takes some of the stuff it binds to with it, and absorbs that too. It's an imperfect solution and makes you needing more and more filler in the same spot which leaves atrophy and/or wrinkles or blurs around other scars. That makes me want to choose a more long term filler obviously but again fat filler seems like a gamble. Fat filler is always accepted though because it's your material.
Do you have any proof for this claim? If this was the case everyone who got fillers, even the people without acne scars would experience atrophy of collagen and fat, which certainly isn't the case.
2 minutes ago, Jackson1234 said:Do you have any proof for this claim? If this was the case everyone who got fillers, even the people without acne scars would experience atrophy of collagen and fat, which certainly isn't the case.
I'm not an expert on fillers, I'm just going by what I've read. So if I'm wrong about something please correct me by all means. What you state may also not be the case right away, but it may over time even gradually. Also, it's well known that fat filler and other permanent fillers may "shift" because there are surgeries that specifically try to undo fillers that have done so, such as fat grafting reversals.
Here is a bit of a random site I will post it. Whether it's reputable or not or common I don't know. I think the point is yes fillers attempt to generate more collagen/elasticity, but if you do them "repeatedly" which is required for HA acne scars this might occur (according to this RN write-up). Since we all have smaller scars that distort with wrinkles or sagging it's probably at least question-worthy whether to use repeated HA rather than long term fillers if this is even remotely accurate. For my scar for example, I would have to inject Juvederm every 6 months for 30-50 years or 60+ full times.:
"Is It Bad To Get Too Many Fillers?
Over time, the repeated use of dermal facial fillers in the same area will stretch the skin tissues, and contribute to the aging look of skin . This is because skin tissue loses collagen and elastin over time, making it less elastic and able to retain its youthful appearance.
Once hyaluronic acid dermal fillers dissolve, either naturally or through the use of Hyaluronidase injections, they leave behind an enlarged area in the dermis that will require replacement filler to restore the volume and return your skin to a more plump appearance. Otherwise, your skin could look wrinkled, saggy, or droopy and improperly shaped."
4 hours ago, mikeymikee said:Believe me when I say that Dr. Rullan does the major subcision, not the mini baby one. When I got up from the table my cheeks looked as big as a chipmunks and there was blood all over the floor. When I walked out to the car my mom was talking to someone on the phoneand she literally gasped and hung up the phone because she was soshocked at how I looked (not in a good way haha).I dont mean to discourage you, but I saw what seemed like major improvement after the first few months but then the skin slowly sank back down and I even saw new scars appear that werent there before so give it time. What really hurt was when I told my friends that I had a procedure done and they said they didnt notice anything. I wanted to throw up because that was $2,000 down the drain.Hopefully your scars will actually be healed though! I also suctioned everyday, multiple times a day, and it still didnt work. At this point I feel like the only way to improve fat loss would be a fat transplant because fillers dont really do much to make up for the fat loss. Even if you look at Dr. Hazanys work he did on Supreme Patty, Patty has millions and has paid the price needed to get his scars fixed but when he does close up videos you can still see he has a lot of scarring even after at least $100,000 worth of work. At this point I give up on the major procedures so Im hoping either dermabrasion or Microneedling will help and if not then thats the cross I have to bear I guess.
scars are scars you can improve them but they will be there forever even after dermabrasion or any other treatment lol real dermabrasion is major I had to be IV sedated, its more major than major subcision Ive seen severalfat transfer results in person - can be lumpy sometimes and it volumizes areas/regionsof the face but not individual acne scars or small areas scars will just be on top of a puffy area kinda.lucky you I wish I only paid $2k, I spent I think$11k in subcision..but I have realistic expectations. I wouldnt advice on more permanent fillers, they are harder to remove when it goes bad.
2 hours ago, dirigo39 said:Youre swollen from the numbing technique he does not the sub.
I felt my cheeks get swollen with the numbing but it wasnt until after the subcision that I really felt my cheeks puff up so whether it was from the procedure or numbing I dont know. He does claim to go down multiple layers so that isnt a light subcision procedure but if he isnt going down multiple layers then hes lying about the fact that he is. Either way my scars look worse than before so I wont be doing subcision again.
1 hour ago, MissCamay2005 said:scars are scars you can improve them but they will be there forever even after dermabrasion or any other treatment lol real dermabrasion is major I had to be IV sedated, its more major than major subcision Ive seen severalfat transfer results in person - can be lumpy sometimes and it volumizes areas/regionsof the face but not individual acne scars or small areas scars will just be on top of a puffy area kinda.lucky you I wish I only paid $2k, I spent I think$11k in subcision..but I have realistic expectations. I wouldnt advice on more permanent fillers, they are harder to remove when it goes bad.
I know they will never be fullyrepaired but for the cost Id rather keep my scars than spend$100k+.To be honest if that dermabrasion procedure actually producesgood results I wouldnt care if it meant I had to go under haha. And it was $2k because I had shopped around for months and knew to avoid LA because every doctorthere charges at least $5k for it which I wasnt going spend for itso after loads of research Istumbled upon Dr. Rullan and decided that$2k was a great deal. Id much rather have more money in my pocket with scars than have no scars and be broke so Im going to just live with them at this point unless I somehow stumble across a procedure that works well. Yeah I wont get fillers because Dr. Rullan already messed up my Juvederm but if you look online someone that got Bellafill had to have it surgically removed because he did such a bad job.
1 hour ago, mikeymikee said:I felt my cheeks get swollen with the numbing but it wasnt until after the subcision that I really felt my cheeks puff up so whether it was from the procedure or numbing I dont know. He does claim to go down multiple layers so that isnt a light subcision procedure but if he isnt going down multiple layers then hes lying about the fact that he is. Either way my scars look worse than before so I wont be doing subcision again.
I know they will never be fullyrepaired but for the cost Id rather keep my scars than spend$100k+.To be honest if that dermabrasion procedure actually producesgood results I wouldnt care if it meant I had to go under haha. And it was $2k because I had shopped around for months and knew to avoid LA because every doctorthere charges at least $5k for it which I wasnt going spend for itso after loads of research Istumbled upon Dr. Rullan and decided that$2k was a great deal. Id much rather have more money in my pocket with scars than have no scars and be broke so Im going to just live with them at this point unless I somehow stumble across a procedure that works well. Yeah I wont get fillers because Dr. Rullan already messed up my Juvederm but if you look online someone that got Bellafill had to have it surgically removed because he did such a bad job.
yup, I had $6k worth of Bellafill from the so called filler guru in Santa Monica.money down the drain I didnt see any change at all even a minute improvement seems like water was injected to my face.only dermabrasion gave meany perceptible improvement and I am hopeful thatmy subcision will do to.but honestly I think no minor procedure or any procedure costing less than $2k can give any perceptible improvementand multiple treatments are required/needed, even dermabrasion only gives you some improvement after one treatment.
19 minutes ago, MissCamay2005 said:yup, I had $6k worth of Bellafill from the so called filler guru in Santa Monica.money down the drain I didnt see any change at all even a minute improvement seems like water was injected to my face.only dermabrasion gave my any perceptible improvement and I am hopeful thatmy subcision will do to.but honestly I think no minor procedure or any procedure costing less than $2k can give any perceptible improvementand multiple treatments are required/needed, even dermabrasion only gives you some improvement after one treatment.
What kind of filler do you like?
31 minutes ago, dirigo39 said:
What kind of filler do you like?
I really never had very deep and wide scars which I think where fillers can make perceptible improvement (after subcision)so in my case fillers just providesover all plumping of the area but not the individual scars.though I love voluma ( temporary last for 1.5-2 years) in plumping sunkenareas of the face because the results are immediately seen unlike sculptra or bellafill there is a waiting game and it is gradual thus makes me think if its really doing anything at all.though in other people I notice the wonderful effects of sculptra, butts hard to notice the effects on your on face because it is gradualat least with sculptra you kinda know that its there because you feel the area being a little firmer or hard when you massage it but with bellafill it feelslike nothing at all - just like water that was absorbed without a trace absorbed and gone just like your money loland again filler alone cannot raise sunken/depressedscars, per Dr. Hazany and Dr. Lim - fillers cant raise tethered scars plus fluid dynamics- fillers trek to areas of less/ least resistance, so subcision is necessary for fillers to do its magic
5 hours ago, harmlessboy1441 said:I'm not an expert on fillers, I'm just going by what I've read. So if I'm wrong about something please correct me by all means. What you state may also not be the case right away, but it may over time even gradually. Also, it's well known that fat filler and other permanent fillers may "shift" because there are surgeries that specifically try to undo fillers that have done so, such as fat grafting reversals.
Here is a bit of a random site I will post it. Whether it's reputable or not or common I don't know. I think the point is yes fillers attempt to generate more collagen/elasticity, but if you do them "repeatedly" which is required for HA acne scars this might occur (according to this RN write-up). Since we all have smaller scars that distort with wrinkles or sagging it's probably at least question-worthy whether to use repeated HA rather than long term fillers if this is even remotely accurate. For my scar for example, I would have to inject Juvederm every 6 months for 30-50 years or 60+ full times.:
"Is It Bad To Get Too Many Fillers?
Over time, the repeated use of dermal facial fillers in the same area will stretch the skin tissues, and contribute to the aging look of skin . This is because skin tissue loses collagen and elastin over time, making it less elastic and able to retain its youthful appearance.
Once hyaluronic acid dermal fillers dissolve, either naturally or through the use of Hyaluronidase injections, they leave behind an enlarged area in the dermis that will require replacement filler to restore the volume and return your skin to a more plump appearance. Otherwise, your skin could look wrinkled, saggy, or droopy and improperly shaped."
Just like you I'm learning and trying to get to the bottom on the best way to treat acne scars, so I appreciate the discussion. In my personal experience I have paired HA fillers with subcision to be used as a spacer and gotten decent results. I have heard the risk of not using fillers can be that your scar can tether even deeper resulting in a deeper scar.
What I think that article is saying is not necessarily that Ha fillers will destroy your collagen and fat but instead they aren't a permanent fix and you will ultimately need more and more as you age because of natural collagen loss from age.
Having looked into the derms who dissolve HA filler, they do say patients will express that there face looks like it may have lost collagen but its hard to say whether this is true or something psychological given the reduction in filler reduces that plumped look. In general HA fillers are pretty safe since they mimic the hyaluronic acid found naturally in the skin. If someone is considering fillers I'd advise them to try these first to see how there body reacts and to gauge whether the injector is skilled or not. You don't want a poorly skilled injectorto be injecting anything semi-permanent/permanent.
Another option could be injections like Sculptra or Radiesse which stimulate your body to produce collagen. I've heard the results from these can last 3-5 years but again with long-term results can come long-term side effects, so I advise people to be cautious.
So I have some not so great news. Those look like mostly boxcar scars, which are extremely difficult to treat. In fact, if I could rewind my acne scarring journey, I would have tried the most invasive treatments for them, like Excision, punch excision/float, or dermal grafting.
You also have icepick scars. You would need a few rounds of TCA Cross to get the most benefit, not just one.
Also, I had about 6 subcisions to get maximum improvement from them (I have mostly rolling scars). I'm sorry you had a bad experience with Dr. Rullan. Try to find a doctor who can do them for ~$500-600 each.
On 3/13/2022 at 3:02 PM, Starlite said:So I have some not so great news. Those look like mostly boxcar scars, which are extremely difficult to treat. In fact, if I could rewind my acne scarring journey, I would have tried the most invasive treatments for them, like Excision, punch excision/float, or dermal grafting.
You also have icepick scars. You would need a few rounds of TCA Cross to get the most benefit, not just one.
Also, I had about 6 subcisions to get maximum improvement from them (I have mostly rolling scars). I'm sorry you had a bad experience with Dr. Rullan. Try to find a doctor who can do them for ~$500-600 each.
It sounds like subcisions don't work on box cars to be honest.
3 hours ago, dirigo39 said:It sounds like subcisions don't work on box cars to be honest.
It can definitely help, but the problem is that the borders of the scar will still be there. It will soften the appearance, but if you can afford it, I would recommend trying more invasive treatment with a doctor with a proven track record.